The "debate" over the appearance and ethnicity of Cleopatra is one of the most futile and inane non-issues ever to worm its way into academic consciousness. There never was a "controversy" before hack afrocentrist pseudo-scholars got it into their heads that there exists a grand conspiracy to deny the influence and importance of black people throughout history. Quoting Plutarch or Shakespeare (sorry, not a valid source) isn't going to prove anything. Cleopatra was Greek, born of dynastic incest.
As I told you already six months ago, go back to your classes if you’re not interested in challenging the ways we teach whiteness-as-default in academia. Stop trying to make your satisfaction with the institutionalized racism in our education MY problem. As if throwing around terms like “hack afrocentrist pseudo-scholars” isn’t biased as hell, and as if everything you have ever had to say isn’t in defense of the idea that everything in the Ancient/Classical world was the product of whiteness. I already know what you learned in your classrooms, and I don’t care.
The documented fact that racial claims for Ancient/Classical cultural achievements have been wrangled about for quite literally centuries doesn’t prove anything about them, but it says a great deal about us. We exist in the context of visible and documented stripping of cultural achievements from Black peoples and cultures. In the words of Immanuel Kant:
The Negroes of Africa have by nature no feeling that rises above the trifling. Mr. [David] Hume challenges anyone to cite a single example in which a Negro has shown talents, and asserts that among the hundreds of thousands of blacks who are transported elsewhere from their countries, although many of them have even been set free, still not a single one was ever found who presented anything great in art or science or any other praiseworthy quality, even though among the whites some continually rise aloft from the lowest rabble and through superior gifts earn respect in the world. So fundamental is the difference between these two races of man.
That ^^ is WHY THIS CONVERSATION IS HAPPENING. Not because “people just want to know”. It’s because this entire supposed “debate” is product of scientific racism from the 18th and 19th centuries in Europe.
^^^That is what you’re defending.
The bottom line is that how WE would categorize Ancient Egyptians today is relevant only to sociocultural conversations; in the words of S.O.Y. Keita:
There is no scientific reason to believe that the primary ancestors of the Egyptian population emerged and evolved outside of northeast Africa.[…]The body proportions of ancient Egyptians generally are similar to those of tropical (more southern) Africans.
The funny thing is? I’m not the one making any racial claims for Cleopatra. What DID I do?
But all that matters to people invested in the whiteness of the past, is that there can be no ambiguity, nothing but easy answers that support centuries of racist thought and influence on every facet of Western academia.
If it isn’t obvious by now, this answer isn’t for eruditefag, who at this point is probably blockworthy. This is for people who want to know how we got to this point, and why people are still arguing about this. Lastly, if it’s such a “non-issue”, I wonder why eruditefag feels the need to make sure everyone knows just how set in stone Cleopatra’s “Greekness” was, and how this is conflated with whiteness in regard to this discussion.
Speaking as an archeologist: shut up @eruditefag and do a better job hiding your racism. Calling afrocentrists hacks and pseudo-scholars arbitrarily is a pretty thin veil, and your lack of interest in discussing how modern views of race and race relations have painted our interpretations of the past makes YOU a bad scholar. If your only interest is in upholding outdated views from the 19th century that still influence academia then there’s really no point in you being an archaeologist or academic, you’re not going to be contributing anything that has any potential to be noteworthy.
the only poly people you ever hear about in media are heterosexual men with several heterosexual wives who are not really interested in one another and are often bitter about the fact that they have to share
that’s not healthy polyamory
why do we glamorize that polyamory